I have spoken to Geert Vanden Bossche many times over the past few years. Each conversation has been intense, challenging, and grounded in deep immunological insight. But this one felt different.
As I listened to Geert describe where we are now in this evolving COVID-19 landscape, I could sense that a turning point is upon us. This is no longer about short-term predictions or isolated scientific disagreements. According to Geert, we may be entering the final phase of a large-scale immunological collapse.
He believes we have created the perfect environment for viral evolution. Not through natural exposure, but through a widespread, repeated interference with our adaptive immune systems. The vaccines, originally designed to protect, have shaped the virus in ways we did not expect. Immune escape variants are now not only surviving our responses but thriving within them.
Geert laid out the danger of chronic infections and immune dysregulation. The virus is no longer acting like the acute threat we once knew. Instead, it persists in the body, mutates inside individuals, and continues its silent spread. The immune system, ever resilient, has managed to adapt—shifting its attack from spike protein to other viral components—but this adaptation comes at a cost. Less specificity. Less power. And perhaps, less time.
What is even more concerning is his observation that in highly vaccinated populations, we are seeing a convergence. Different people, different variants, yet now a shared immune profile—tired, overexposed, and unable to mount a decisive defense. In such a setting, the emergence of a variant that can bypass all defenses is not just possible, it may be inevitable.
Geert likened it to a wounded lion. The lion retreats, quietly heals, and when the time comes, it strikes. That is his warning about this virus. The calm is deceptive. The complexity is immense. And most people are unprepared.
So what do we do?
Geert’s position is clear. At the population level, it may already be too late. Nature will take over. It will correct the imbalance, likely at great cost. But at the individual level, there is still action we can take. He spoke of protecting natural immunity, minimizing further harm, and considering early antiviral interventions for those at risk.
This interview was not meant to cause fear. It was a call to look beyond the surface. To stop pretending we understand the path ahead when we have not even mapped the ground beneath us. The science is not settled. The consequences are not over. And the window to respond may already be closing.
Geert’s final message was both sobering and hopeful. This crisis may force a reset. A rebalancing of health, nature, and society itself. The next chapter depends on whether we continue to look away or finally begin to face the truth.
Timecodes
00:00 – Introduction and context for the interview
Why this discussion with Geert is different and why timing is critical
01:30 – Geert’s background and expertise
From veterinary medicine to global vaccine strategy and pandemic analysis
05:10 – The shift from acute to chronic COVID infections
How immune responses have changed and why this matters
09:15 – WHO’s admission of uncertainty
A surprising look at the lack of data behind continued vaccine recommendations
14:05 – Why it is now impossible to catch up with the science
The analogy of the chaotic desk and irreversible immune disruption
19:30 – The stunning resilience of the immune system
Geert reflects on how adaptive and versatile our immunity has been
24:00 – The problem with IgG4 antibody dominance
Why these antibodies reflect immune failure rather than protection
29:00 – Chronic stimulation and rising autoimmunity
What persistent immune activation means for long-term health
34:25 – The evolution of viral mutants in highly vaccinated individuals
How intra-host mutation could lead to dangerous convergence
38:50 – Why variants may suddenly become dominant in waves
Understanding the conditions that allow explosive spread
43:15 – The looming collapse of immune defenses
A boxer analogy to describe immune exhaustion and fungal infections
47:50 – The illusion of mildness and the return of severity
Singapore and Hong Kong as warning signs of what is to come
52:30 – Addressing the accusation of fear mongering
Geert explains why he stepped back from media but still speaks the truth
57:10 – Why updated vaccines no longer work
Suboptimal responses, immune refocusing, and the failure of gene-based updates
1:04:30 – Is there hope and what comes next?
Nature’s reckoning, possible reset, and how individuals might still act
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